Sunday, May 25, 2014

Some info the news didn't/will not tell you about the Isla Vista shooting



Below is an article from the L A Times.
Some thoughts by me, generated by my experiences as a California Peace Officer.

-- Notice how EVERYONE is finding someone else to blame. So far, the Libs locally blame guns.NOTE: This kid was so  well off that he would have purchased guns legally or illegally

-- The parents saw the video .
They contacted Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office.
The Sheriff contacted Rodgers.
Now, here is what the news probably does not know, and would push in Rodgers' favor if they did:
FACT: In California, you can not be arrested for "Acting Weird".
You can take someone to your County Mental Health (Known by cops as CMH) to have them evaluated. Section 5150 of the Welfare and Institutions code gives you that authority, and the person can be held for observation for 48 hours.
BUT--it takes a psychiatrist to declare that person "A Danger to himself and others" to have the person committed for treatment.

In a few of my own experiences, even though the person had shown some suicidal behavior, or engaged to potentially deadly actions against others, a psychiatrist would interview the subject, then declare that the person was not a hazard.

In one case, a prisoner arrested for DUI, asked for water. Told we didn't have any, he went into what appeared to be a seizure, but he was conscious all that time. Due to the behavior, we stopped the car, and an ambulance transported that restrained subject to a hospital. Doctors declared there was nothing physically wrong. Two psychiatrists were called to evaluate. I do not know how the first conversation went, but I was at the door, guarding at the second one. The subject told the psychiatrist,"If I wasn't tied to this gurney, I'd rip your head off and shove it up your ass".
The psychiatrist emerged and told the first psychiatrist, "I think he's a little upset, but I don't think he's  a danger".

San Diego, 2004.
In East San Diego, a family has an adult male in the home, that can not control anger. Occasionally, he strikes at family members, throws objects and damages the home.
Invariably, San Diego PD is called. The officers take the subject to CMH. Invariably, about two hours after arriving at CMH, the staff releases the subject out onto the street.
It got so bad that the SDPD officers, would simply have him get out of the police car and go inside CMH --on his own, knowing they would waste two hours there.
EXCEPT, that last day. He is released by the psychiatrist, goes outside and gets into a confrontation. Police are called as he is swinging a tree limb at people on the sidewalk. An officer arrives, tries to talk him down, but the subject grabs a heavy all metal shopping cart and is trying to hit the officer with it. The Officer shot him.

Oceanside, 2001.
Joe, the homeless alcoholic climbs down from a bridge on to a freeway sign over Interstate- 5 .
The CHP Has to stop all traffic on South I-5 in case he jumps. After two Oceanside PD Officers try to talk him off for an hour and a half, a Sergeant arrives and promises Joe a six pack of beer if he will climb up and off.
Joe is taken to CMH. Joe asks for--and gets his six after CHM declares him "Not a hazard to himself or others".
Two weeks later, Joe does a repeat performance. Same Sergeant gets him off, and to CMH. Psychiatrist is not going to hold him. Sgt asks psychiatrist's home address, phone, etc, and tells him that when Joe jumps, he is going to put an ad in the paper for attorneys to advertise for clients damaged by Joe's jump. Joe got held for 48 hours.

This goes back to JFK and Robert Kennedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation

Deinstitutionalisation (or deinstitutionalization) is the process of replacing long-stay psychiatric hospitals with less isolated community mental health services for those diagnosed with a mental disorder or developmental disability. Deinstitutionalisation works in two ways: the first focuses on reducing the population size of mental institutions by releasing patients, shortening stays, and reducing both admissions and readmission rates; the second focuses on reforming mental hospitals' institutional processes so as to reduce or eliminate reinforcement of dependency, hopelessness, learned helplessness, and other maladaptive behaviours.[1]
According to psychiatrist Leon Eisenberg, deinstitutionalisation has been an overall benefit for most psychiatric patients, though many have been left homeless and without care.[2] The deinstitutionalisation movement was initiated by three factors:
  • A socio-political movement for community mental health services and open hospitals;
  • The advent of psychotropic drugs able to manage psychotic episodes;
  • A ļ¬nancial imperative to shift costs from state to federal budgets.
According to American psychiatrist Loren Mosher, most deinstitutionalization in the USA took place after 1972, as a result of the availability of SSI, long after the antipsychotic drugs were used universally in state hospitals.
According to psychiatrist and author Thomas Szasz, deinstitutionalisation is the policy and practice of transferring homeless, involuntarily hospitalised mental patients from state mental hospitals into many different kinds of de facto psychiatric institutions funded largely by the federal government. These federally subsidised institutions began in the United States and were quickly adopted by most Western governments. The plan was set in motion by the Community Mental Health Act as a part of John F. Kennedy's legislation and passed by the U.S. Congress in 1963, mandating the appointment of a commission to make recommendations for "combating mental illness in the United States".
In many cases the deinstitutionalisation of the mentally ill in the Western world from the 1960s onward has translated into policies of "community release". Individuals who previously would have been in mental institutions are no longer continuously supervised by health care workers. Some experts, such as E. Fuller Torrey, have considered deinstitutionalisation to be a failure, while some consider many aspects of institutionalization to have been worse.

You see, Liberals would rather take a chance that your common citizen might be killed, wounded, raped or maimed than "Deprive some mental person of their freedom".

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http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/05/ucsb-mass-shooter-refused-psychiatric-medicines-parents-in-hiding/

RadarOnline.com exclusively.
The 22-year-old, who law enforcement officials say killed six people before he died in a shoot out with deputies from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff ‘s Office, also “heard voices.”
His parents, Hollywood director Peter Rodger and his ex-wife, Li Chin, are now in hiding, staying at a hotel, as they try to come to grips with what their son is believed to have done.
“Elliot has always been troubled and couldn’t express himself,” the source tells us.
“His parents did everything they could to help him. It seemed that Elliot suffered from extreme paranoia and heard voices, but it was impossible to properly diagnose because he just wouldn’t talk. Having been prescribed psychiatric medication, Elliot refused to take it.
“Before moving from L.A. to Santa Barbara, he had been seeing a mental health professional for years, and his parents got a team of doctors for him to continue to see after his move. Their hearts break for the victims and their families.”
There was a reluctance to let Rodger move to Santa Barbara, but he was insistent, the source says.
“He thought that moving to Santa Barbara would make him happy, and his parents obliged. At first Elliot did really well academically in school at Santa Barbara City College (a community college about 30 minutes from the University of California Santa Barbara campus), but he had a hard time fitting in with the party scene. With that, Elliot became more isolated, and his grades began to suffer.”
In an incredibly chilling video he uploaded to YouTube less than 24 hours before his killing spree, Roger spoke of his frustration at being rebuffed by women. Speaking with little emotion, while seated in his car and looking straight into a camera, he said “I am the superior one” as he wondered aloud why women didn’t find him attractive.
His solution was, he said, to go on a shooting spree.
“I’m going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut that I see inside there. All those girls that I’ve desired so much, they would’ve all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them.”
His lethal rampage actually began prior to the shooting, Sheriff Bill Brown revealed late on Saturday.
Rodger stabbed three males in his apartment before taking to the streets in a black BMW. There he fatally shot two female and one male UCSB students. Rodger also hit two bicyclists with his car and seriously injured others with gunfire.
His parents were concerned about Rodger’s postings on social media even prior to his YouTube “Retribution” video and had contacted law enforcement in Santa Barbara, the source tells Radar.
According to the Rodger family attorney, Alan Shifman, the family contacted local authorities to do a “welfare check” on Elliot just a few weeks ago and cops found him to be “perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human,” but seemingly without a girlfriend or friends.
Only two years earlier, Elliot was photographed in a much different setting, on the red carpet at the premiere ofThe Hunger Games, alongside his father who was the second unit director on the film.
However, our insider reveals, “Elliot never fit in at school in Santa Barbara, and certainly not in his dad’s Hollywood glamorous world. He was extremely smart, and loved to play video games. He wasn’t prone to violence at all. His parents have been in contact with the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Office and have indicated they will fully cooperate with the investigation.”




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Elliot Rodger's parents had concerns about his mental health

Sheriff defends earlier investigation of Isla Vista shooting suspect

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sheriff-defends-earlier-investigation-of-isla-vista-shooting-suspect-20140525-story.html

Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown on Sunday defended his agency's handling of a visit deputies made last month to the suspect in Friday's Isla Vista rampage that left seven dead.
In April,  family members called the Sheriff's Department expressing concern about Elliot Rodger's health. The deputies said Rodger, 22, seemed to be fine and they did not take any action against him.

Brown told CBS News' "Face the Nation" that he wasn't sure whether the deputies checked to see if he had any weapons registered in his name. Had they done that, the check would have shown Rodger had legally purchased three guns. Because Rodger had never been institutionalized or held by authorities, Brown added, he was permitted to have the guns.
"Obviously, looking back on this, it's a very tragic situation, and we certainly wish that we could turn the clock back and maybe change some things," Brown told CBS.

The sheriff added that deputies who checked on Rodger followed procedure and that they were convinced he was not a harm to himself. Rodger, he added, had a "a very convincing story." 
"During the course of his interaction with mental health professionals, he apparently had never been either institutionalized or committed for an involuntary hold of any kind," Brown added. "And those are the two triggers that actually would have made him a prohibited person in terms of a fire arms purchase. So he was able, sadly, to obtain those three firearms.

In a 137-page document Rodger wrote, he mentioned the sheriff's welfare check last month, saying his whole plan would have been foiled had the officer found his guns and writing, which were in his room.
"That would have ended everything," he wrote. "For a few horrible seconds, I thought it was all over."
The welfare check was one of three interactions Santa Barbara authorities had with Rodger.


In January, officials said, Rodger accused his roommate of stealing three candles worth $22 and performed a citizen's arrest. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department eventually arrested the roommate and booked him on petty theft charges.
Last summer, he accused several people of assaulting him. But investigators concluded he was the aggressor in the incident and a detective suspended the case.
Rodger is suspected of killing six people before taking his own life Friday. Officials said he targeted his apartment complex, then a UC Santa Barbara sorority and then a deli. 

The narrative of the violence described by authorities shares striking similarities to the statement Rodger wrote in which he described plans to kill people.
In that document, he outlines detailed plans for killing his roommates and then attacking a sorority in what he described as his "war on women."
"I will attack the very girls who represent everything I hate in the female gender: The hottest sorority of UCSB," he wrote.